from where did u hear that lebanese said that about syria!?
was it mentioned in the media?..
Well Sugar, these things are never mentioned in the official media…theyre only ever heard through the grapevine…..gossip, forums, you know talk of the day…..however, the attacks on the Syrian government are very clear and evident in the Lebanese media.
This is funny, how could your alies “slander” you? Almost all Lebanese who escaped to Syria were your own “alies” (i.e. same people who your regime support and use to Syria’s own ends). This is a clear lie and slandering nonsense on Syria’s part if you ask me.
After all, Syria, I$rael, Iran and the Palestinians (though I don’t blame the latter as they, also, victims of the same junta) are responsible for the mess that was Lebanese un-civil war- even today; Syria is the biggest beneficiary from all of this, milking as much as possible from their miseries.
Well Jack…..perhaps you conveniently forgot that it was Syria that ended the Lebanese civil war….or don’t you think the lives of all the Syrian soldiers who died in Lebanon amount to anything? We are talking facts here, history speaks for itself. without Syria, the Lebanese would still be slaughtering each other to this day. Syria even stepped in to help and protect factions which opposed it then, and still oppose it today. The marionite Christians for example.
The only thing Syria is guilty of , is having a pro Arab agenda, and believing in the ideals of Arab unity and solidarity, not so popular with the sell outs and western lackies such as yourself. Can you tell me why Syria today is home to 1.2 million Iraqi refugees? It’s a fact, Syrians are good people who help all the other Arabs and stand up for them. Syria is the last bastion of Arab dignity and morality. That is something no amount of propaganda and accusations against Syria can ever take away.
Arab unity is a myth; you can’t have a unity based on mother tongue alone. There are more to Nationalism than language or sharing the same customs.
If I was told that a flying elephant is more feasible, I would wager my money and clothes on it rather than on an Arab government suddenly reining over, no, not from the Gulf to the ocean, but from Damascus to Cairo. It will never happen, period.
As for Syrian scarifies-which I acknowledge- it’s as the say goes: you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs; Syria didn’t intervene in Lebanon just because of “Arab unity” or “solidarity”. Syria always saw Lebanon as part of a phantom entity called “historic Syria”-i.e. Greater Syria. It intervened in Lebanon in order to shore up and foster some of its fantastical “interests” in post independent Lebanon, even if it costs thousands of dead Syrian soldiers and Lebanese allies, or non-allies. Syria turned Lebanon into a battleground so it can fight i$rael a proxy war. Who is taking the beating? Of course, who else other than Lebanon and the Lebanese, not Syria or its regime.
As far as ‘I’ goes, I’m not a “lackey” or a “sell out” of any sort. You don’t need to tell me that Syrian people are good, I now they are hospitable and decent folks (just like many Arabs in the region) and that they don’t deserve what the “media” and their true lackeys promoting. However, your million plus Iraqi refugees has nothing to do with “Syria’s Last Arab bastion”, otherwise there is always Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey,..etc..Who would be more than happy to cash in on these poor Iraqis.
So jack, what you’re saying is that Arab unity is a myth even when we all share the same language, culture and history, whilst lets say the European union is feasible even though it doesn’t have all that.
Perhaps you forgot that only 60 years ago there was no such thing as Lebanon or Jordan, or for that matter Syria. Perhaps you forgot that the colonial powers split up the Arab world based on only what they thought would make them easier to rule? Your definition of mythology is certainly very intriguing.
Again, Syria is the last remaining bastion of what’s left of Arab dignity and pride, we’re not sell outs and we stand up for Arab rights and our just cause. And most importantly , we’re not ruled by the American or French ambassadors!!!
Sharing what history? Don’t elude yourself my friend, Lebanon always has a distinct history and flavor of its own (even your Syrian cost is not too dissimilar). Lebanon is not just a place, it’s a people as well as a 4,000 years definition and history. Don’t confuse it with another Ottoman province-even the Ottoman Turks had a hard time pacifying it while they’re enjoying a peaceful pastime in Damascus.
Now, let me bring you out of the dark, dark one, I’m aware of the history of Arab “nations”. For Arab unity and “nationalism” to exist, it has to materialise, i.e. if the Arab unity truly exist, wouldn’t be logical that these “nations” become united since then? From the very moment of their creation? (Please, don’t give me that “foreign conspiracy” rubbish! You are what you do). Wouldn’t they rub off these artificial borders, at least on maps, which were drawn by France or Britain, oppen their borders and “ACT” as one without hesitation, bias or partiality? What is “Arabism” anyway, is it a culture or a people? Where and who are these people? As for European Union there is little, if any, parallel; European unity is not Nationalist union to start with, its rather cultural and economical under a democratic and civic umbrella, not militaristic and reactionary slogans. In addition, European nation state have a common socio-economical and geo-political interests, and they don’t think in the same manner as an Arab-ask an average European farmer about, say, planet Earth, he’ll tell exactly what it is and where he is upon it, ask this to an average Arab peasant, well, I don’t need to elaborate on that, just use your imagination.
How many empires occupied the area called the Middle East and left its own distinct mark and change its demographic structure? Dozens, including your peddling “Arab Nationalism”, although in the form of a religious one at least. Remember that the Crusades also resided in Palestine and Lebanon for at least 150 years, until a Kurdish leader known as Salah’ulddin kick them out. So what is left? Second Kurdish Salah’uldin or “Syrianism”? Which, by the way, your regime is promoting while forgetting that “Empires are inherently tired”, i.e. will never happen and they will always fall, except, intriguingly, under a religious zeal and namely an Islamic empire. Of course, neither that will ever take shape, let alone a place. Why don’t you ask your self a simple little question; suppose tomorrow there will be a fair and genuine all out “popular” election in Syria-no, not the 99.99% one, the real deal, what do you think will happen? Why Washington still sparing Syria?
Last but not least, I don’t need you to remind me with the guidelines set by your higher cyber authorities; to repeat the same rhetoric and slogans about your regime’s “last Arab bastionism”, otherwise, open an embassy in Beirut if you feel that the Americans and French are threatening this “last bastion” of yours.
Oh dear, calm down a minute Jack, sit down and have a cup of tea or a cigarette. I’ve always been fascinated by people who have an irrational hate of an entire country or race, it’s very amusing…..It’s even more amusing watching them justifying their hatred with assorted skewed theories on history culture and society….classic racism……
Getting to the point, I’ll agree with you on only one thing, unity requires that the populace be educated and aware of their own history and standing in the world, otherwise it’ll just be a repeat of the 50s unity with Egypt, or another Warsaw pact. You can’t force unity on a people, they have to truly want it themselves.
But having said all that, unity for the Arabs isn’t just some sort of dreamy ideal or an added luxury , its a necessity of survival. Can you tell me why no single Arab country has an army strong enough to take on Israel? Can you tell me why most Arab nations are ruled by American proxy? Can you tell me why most Arab countries have land occupied by a foreign power? I’m not just talking about Syria Jordan and Lebanon here….Spain still occupies cities in Morocco….and there’s nothing Morocco can do about it because its just too weak on its own.
Again, unity is not an ideal its a necessity, if we don’t unite we will cease to be, it’s as simple as that. Granted that unity takes time, it takes effort ,it will take many generations but it’s inevitable.
In answer to your question, If you ask any Syrian, regardless of where he is living, he’ll tell you that he will elect Bashar El Asad in any election. Why? Simple, ElAsad is the only honest Arab leader, he’s the only one who is not afraid to speak the truth, he’s the only true Arab leader who has any dignity and stands up for the rights of Palestinians, Iraqis and Syrians…even Lebanese…..How about you ask any Palestinian living in Syria, or elsewhere who they love and respect most out of all the Arab leaders? I think you know the answer to that. Why? because he’s the only leader who hasn’t sold the Palestinians out for a few pennies or to appease the American and Israeli masters. How about you ask any Iraqi, Palestinian or Lebanese refugee how they we’re treated in Syria, and then compare that with how they are being treated in other countries?
Oh and F.Y.I, the Syrian authorities do not police Syrian websites, and they certainly do not tell us what to do or say. We have more freedom in Syria than you do in Lebanon, because in Lebanon you have no say or view outside what your faction elder or sectarian leader tells you, you are polarized by a never ending unfathomable struggle amongst yourselves solely for the purpose of the enrichment and empowerment of your local leaders. You are not a nation, and never will be until you throw away the shackles of sectarianism, and achieve national unity amongst yourselves, and then aspire to unity with other Arabs.
I’m considering this article closed for further comments, as we’ve both made our points and aired our views and have nothing further to add. Thank you for conducting this discussion in a civilized manner, and feel free to post another article within reasonable limits.
